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		<title>Comment on OA + POD + competition? by exrat.livejournal.com/</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/12/10/oa-pod-competition/#comment-10368</link>
		<dc:creator>exrat.livejournal.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Unclear, and there are probably arguments in all directions. If you lease the content under a licensing agreement, as copyright owners may well allow, the licensing agreement may forbid printing. First sale would seem not to apply, because that covers what you can do with the actual bits that form the ebook. 

2. It might. You&#039;d have to do the usual four-factor test.

3. I should think so, yes. If there&#039;s a POD market already, your printing a copy is more likely to harm the market for the work, harming a fair-use case.

4. Mmmmmaybe, but likely not; case law is not on your side here. See the latest in copyshop course-pack case law. See also photo reproduction shops that won&#039;t touch anything that might be copyrighted.

5. Who knows what publishers know?

6. No copyshop with sense will advertise such a thing unless they&#039;ve worked out a licensing deal with the publisher. They got bitten bad by course-pack cases. A copyshop without sense will likely be sued. Win or lose, who knows? but they&#039;re liable to see the inside of a courtroom.

1. Yes, I believe so.

2. Unclear, but if I were a copyshop I wouldn&#039;t want the risk.

3. I doubt many have thought this scenario through.

4. Again, the copyshop would have to be crazy to advertise this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Unclear, and there are probably arguments in all directions. If you lease the content under a licensing agreement, as copyright owners may well allow, the licensing agreement may forbid printing. First sale would seem not to apply, because that covers what you can do with the actual bits that form the ebook. </p>
<p>2. It might. You&#8217;d have to do the usual four-factor test.</p>
<p>3. I should think so, yes. If there&#8217;s a POD market already, your printing a copy is more likely to harm the market for the work, harming a fair-use case.</p>
<p>4. Mmmmmaybe, but likely not; case law is not on your side here. See the latest in copyshop course-pack case law. See also photo reproduction shops that won&#8217;t touch anything that might be copyrighted.</p>
<p>5. Who knows what publishers know?</p>
<p>6. No copyshop with sense will advertise such a thing unless they&#8217;ve worked out a licensing deal with the publisher. They got bitten bad by course-pack cases. A copyshop without sense will likely be sued. Win or lose, who knows? but they&#8217;re liable to see the inside of a courtroom.</p>
<p>1. Yes, I believe so.</p>
<p>2. Unclear, but if I were a copyshop I wouldn&#8217;t want the risk.</p>
<p>3. I doubt many have thought this scenario through.</p>
<p>4. Again, the copyshop would have to be crazy to advertise this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lead, follow, or get out of the way by Gavin Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/09/15/lead-follow-or-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10360</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, you&#039;re right that the study has limitations. I wish that the study had looked at revenue models besides just APCs, but hopefully a follow-on study will do so (as well as a more thorough look at cost containment). In the meantime, more experiments are called for.

Dr. Townsend, thanks for your comments. Kudos for allowing author self-archiving and for providing delayed OA. If all publishers followed those policies, we should all be a lot better off. But I think the compact is a step forward both for OA and for humanities publishers. Notably, the compact provides a potential pool of funds for publication charges for authors in HSS who have less access to research grants than STM authors. In addition, compact funding only requires that the &lt;em&gt;peer-reviewed&lt;/em&gt; content of the journal be OA. One significant point raised by the NHA report is that a much higher share of HSS journal content is non-peer-reviewed, which comes at high costs. So for the purposes of the compact, we can consider those costs separately from the research content of the journals, keeping it paywalled for the time being if necessary. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gavinbaker.com/?p=323&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I think the compact would be better if it was open to other funding models&lt;/a&gt;, but I still think it&#039;s a step forward for humanities publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, you&#8217;re right that the study has limitations. I wish that the study had looked at revenue models besides just APCs, but hopefully a follow-on study will do so (as well as a more thorough look at cost containment). In the meantime, more experiments are called for.</p>
<p>Dr. Townsend, thanks for your comments. Kudos for allowing author self-archiving and for providing delayed OA. If all publishers followed those policies, we should all be a lot better off. But I think the compact is a step forward both for OA and for humanities publishers. Notably, the compact provides a potential pool of funds for publication charges for authors in HSS who have less access to research grants than STM authors. In addition, compact funding only requires that the <em>peer-reviewed</em> content of the journal be OA. One significant point raised by the NHA report is that a much higher share of HSS journal content is non-peer-reviewed, which comes at high costs. So for the purposes of the compact, we can consider those costs separately from the research content of the journals, keeping it paywalled for the time being if necessary. <a href="http://www.gavinbaker.com/?p=323" rel="nofollow">I think the compact would be better if it was open to other funding models</a>, but I still think it&#8217;s a step forward for humanities publishers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lead, follow, or get out of the way by Robert Townsend</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/09/15/lead-follow-or-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10359</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Townsend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The context for my comments was laid out in a posting at &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.historians.org/articles/865/is-there-a-future-for-journals-in-the-humanities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://blog.historians.org/articles/865/is-there-a-future-for-journals-in-the-humanities &lt;/a&gt;. If it helps with our credibility on these issues, let me note that our author contracts allow Green OA self archiving, and we also make all articles available online in Gold OA form after one year. So we are walking the walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The context for my comments was laid out in a posting at <a href="http://blog.historians.org/articles/865/is-there-a-future-for-journals-in-the-humanities" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://blog.historians.org/articles/865/is-there-a-future-for-journals-in-the-humanities" rel="nofollow">http://blog.historians.org/articles/865/is-there-a-future-for-journals-in-the-humanities</a> . If it helps with our credibility on these issues, let me note that our author contracts allow Green OA self archiving, and we also make all articles available online in Gold OA form after one year. So we are walking the walk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lead, follow, or get out of the way by Heather Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin, the NHA report has some serious limitations; the author, Waltham, points out that this report indicates a need for more in-depth research more than anything.  This was a small sample of only 8 journals, each one self-selected by a different society publisher.  It appears that each publisher selected their flagship journal, a journal that would be likely to have much higher rejection rates than their other journals.  

One interesting outcome is the wide range of per-page costs quoted for the first online copy (i.e., eliminating print costs), from $90 to $1,326 per page.  I would argue that the $90 is excessive - but $1,326 PER PAGE??

My comments can be found on The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics, here:  http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/humanities-and-social-sciences-thoughts.html

and here:  http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/cost-per-page-for-hss-journals-varies.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin, the NHA report has some serious limitations; the author, Waltham, points out that this report indicates a need for more in-depth research more than anything.  This was a small sample of only 8 journals, each one self-selected by a different society publisher.  It appears that each publisher selected their flagship journal, a journal that would be likely to have much higher rejection rates than their other journals.  </p>
<p>One interesting outcome is the wide range of per-page costs quoted for the first online copy (i.e., eliminating print costs), from $90 to $1,326 per page.  I would argue that the $90 is excessive &#8211; but $1,326 PER PAGE??</p>
<p>My comments can be found on The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics, here:  <a href="http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/humanities-and-social-sciences-thoughts.html" rel="nofollow">http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/humanities-and-social-sciences-thoughts.html</a></p>
<p>and here:  <a href="http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/cost-per-page-for-hss-journals-varies.html" rel="nofollow">http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/cost-per-page-for-hss-journals-varies.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Age and eligibility for office: a curious intersection of civil rights and democracy by Gavin Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/06/01/age-and-eligibility-for-office-a-curious-intersection-of-civil-rights-and-democracy/#comment-10357</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, interesting thought. It&#039;s more about the principle for me -- I don&#039;t expect that with this change, there would be a significant influx of officials under the current minimum age. Generally, it seems like candidates prefer to gain experience elsewhere first, and voters prefer candidates with prior experience. But there&#039;d probably be a few such candidates, and over time voters might become friendlier to the thought of voting for a younger candidate.

Another positive effect might be that younger candidates would encourage turnout among younger voters, who lag other age groups at this time. Voters like seeing candidates who look like them and younger candidates may better energize younger voters.

Impact on seniority is another interesting question. If Congresspeople started their Congressional careers younger, might they retire younger too?

But the thought of how a few younger elected public officials might influence policy is an interesting one. Might there be more clamor for education spending and student loan relief? More policy targeted toward helping early career professionals and young families? Might there be more caution to use military force, since it&#039;s young people who do the fighting and dying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, interesting thought. It&#8217;s more about the principle for me &#8212; I don&#8217;t expect that with this change, there would be a significant influx of officials under the current minimum age. Generally, it seems like candidates prefer to gain experience elsewhere first, and voters prefer candidates with prior experience. But there&#8217;d probably be a few such candidates, and over time voters might become friendlier to the thought of voting for a younger candidate.</p>
<p>Another positive effect might be that younger candidates would encourage turnout among younger voters, who lag other age groups at this time. Voters like seeing candidates who look like them and younger candidates may better energize younger voters.</p>
<p>Impact on seniority is another interesting question. If Congresspeople started their Congressional careers younger, might they retire younger too?</p>
<p>But the thought of how a few younger elected public officials might influence policy is an interesting one. Might there be more clamor for education spending and student loan relief? More policy targeted toward helping early career professionals and young families? Might there be more caution to use military force, since it&#8217;s young people who do the fighting and dying?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Age and eligibility for office: a curious intersection of civil rights and democracy by sarterus</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/06/01/age-and-eligibility-for-office-a-curious-intersection-of-civil-rights-and-democracy/#comment-10356</link>
		<dc:creator>sarterus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The age restrictions in the US are one of the contributing factors to tech policy that is often out of date. Without Gen Y at the table it is tough to even imagine the right policy choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The age restrictions in the US are one of the contributing factors to tech policy that is often out of date. Without Gen Y at the table it is tough to even imagine the right policy choices.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re doing it wrong: pet peeves in Web authoring by Gavin Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/05/06/youre-doing-it-wrong-pet-peeves-in-web-authoring/#comment-10355</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I do like inline replies, but I usually reserve for replies to longer emails. If I&#039;m replying to a shorter email with one central point, I don&#039;t see much harm in top-posting, especially if written to refer to antecedents (e.g. &quot;I agree, building a defense tower seems like a good idea&quot; vs. &quot;I agree, that seems like a good idea!&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I do like inline replies, but I usually reserve for replies to longer emails. If I&#8217;m replying to a shorter email with one central point, I don&#8217;t see much harm in top-posting, especially if written to refer to antecedents (e.g. &#8220;I agree, building a defense tower seems like a good idea&#8221; vs. &#8220;I agree, that seems like a good idea!&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re doing it wrong: pet peeves in Web authoring by Stephen Paul Weber</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/05/06/youre-doing-it-wrong-pet-peeves-in-web-authoring/#comment-10354</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Paul Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin... if the only alternative to top-posting were bottom-posting, you would be right, but both are strongly against email tradition for a very good reason: it makes it very hard to see what is being replied to.

While for you, it may seem obvious what has just been said, that is only because you have just read it.  To the person reading your email (especially if they did not write the original, such as on a mailing list) it is extremely useful to put the specific parts of the reply after the specific part being replied to (called intermixing).

Examples below... it becomes more obvious with longer messages, but hopefully you can see that.

Example 1 : Topposting

I agree, that seems like a good idea!

&lt; I really hate what they&#039;re doing.
&lt; It seems like they want to take over the world.
&lt; Maybe we should build a defense tower.

Example 1 : Bottomposting

&lt; I really hate what they&#039;re doing.
&lt; It seems like they want to take over the world.
&lt; Maybe we should build a defense tower.

I agree, that seems like a good idea!

Example 1 : Bottomposting

&lt; I really hate what they&#039;re doing.

I agree.

&lt; Maybe we should build a defense tower.

That seems like a good idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin&#8230; if the only alternative to top-posting were bottom-posting, you would be right, but both are strongly against email tradition for a very good reason: it makes it very hard to see what is being replied to.</p>
<p>While for you, it may seem obvious what has just been said, that is only because you have just read it.  To the person reading your email (especially if they did not write the original, such as on a mailing list) it is extremely useful to put the specific parts of the reply after the specific part being replied to (called intermixing).</p>
<p>Examples below&#8230; it becomes more obvious with longer messages, but hopefully you can see that.</p>
<p>Example 1 : Topposting</p>
<p>I agree, that seems like a good idea!</p>
<p>&lt; I really hate what they&#8217;re doing.<br />
&lt; It seems like they want to take over the world.<br />
&lt; Maybe we should build a defense tower.</p>
<p>Example 1 : Bottomposting</p>
<p>&lt; I really hate what they&#8217;re doing.<br />
&lt; It seems like they want to take over the world.<br />
&lt; Maybe we should build a defense tower.</p>
<p>I agree, that seems like a good idea!</p>
<p>Example 1 : Bottomposting</p>
<p>&lt; I really hate what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>&lt; Maybe we should build a defense tower.</p>
<p>That seems like a good idea!</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re doing it wrong: pet peeves in Web authoring by Gavin Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/05/06/youre-doing-it-wrong-pet-peeves-in-web-authoring/#comment-10353</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I don&#039;t see how top-posting is any harder to read than bottom-posting. With bottom-posting, you have to scroll past the original message; with top-posting, you have to scroll down if you want to see the original message. I&#039;d say that makes top-posting slightly less hard.

The only disadvantage is if you believe there&#039;s a convention to bottom-posting, which makes top-posting unexpected to you. But it&#039;s not the case. The most popular mail clients put your cursor at the top by default, which is why emails from Aunt Sally are always top-posted. There are way more Aunt Sallies out there on the Internet than there are people who want to preserve a bottom-posting convention.

Plus, at this point, I do it just to be contrarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I don&#8217;t see how top-posting is any harder to read than bottom-posting. With bottom-posting, you have to scroll past the original message; with top-posting, you have to scroll down if you want to see the original message. I&#8217;d say that makes top-posting slightly less hard.</p>
<p>The only disadvantage is if you believe there&#8217;s a convention to bottom-posting, which makes top-posting unexpected to you. But it&#8217;s not the case. The most popular mail clients put your cursor at the top by default, which is why emails from Aunt Sally are always top-posted. There are way more Aunt Sallies out there on the Internet than there are people who want to preserve a bottom-posting convention.</p>
<p>Plus, at this point, I do it just to be contrarian.</p>
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		<link>http://www.gavinbaker.com/2009/05/06/youre-doing-it-wrong-pet-peeves-in-web-authoring/#comment-10352</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, it&#039;s an interesting point. My first thought was for browsers to have a default stylesheet for printing which reveals the URLs for links -- but you don&#039;t want to print the URL for every single link on a page, typically just the ones in the &quot;body&quot; of a page (excluding the template/navigational links). But spelling out the URL of every link in the body isn&#039;t a very graceful way to handle it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, it&#8217;s an interesting point. My first thought was for browsers to have a default stylesheet for printing which reveals the URLs for links &#8212; but you don&#8217;t want to print the URL for every single link on a page, typically just the ones in the &#8220;body&#8221; of a page (excluding the template/navigational links). But spelling out the URL of every link in the body isn&#8217;t a very graceful way to handle it either.</p>
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